Curse

StormX · Apr 21, 2010, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Yeah those talking bots are something else...(at least if they're afking you can get your teammates to report them as leechers) I encountered a guy in CB arena who denied botting when I accused him, and then proceeded to ask me if you could get perma banned for botting...=___= Incidentally this same guy bots almost every holiday event... he has a few different characters with similar names and the same guild tag. I happned to be in the snowball arena when he was running his monk bot and whenever you said his name he would reply with one word "lag"

anyway boy am I glad I don't play RA anymore. I'd be interested to see Regina's reply... or rather, her lack of it....

Higurashi · Apr 21, 2010, 05:02 AM // 05:02

bots are annoying the talking bots in particular but all online games have them so i learn to ignore them

Chthon · Apr 21, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

If this comes into play they'll probably start to add random elements to it, slightly decreasing efficiency but making it much harder to identify.

If you don't know what traits a-net is scanning for, you don't know which elements to randomize. You could randomize them all to a degree that their behavior on any given point is indistinguishable from a human player, but that would destroy any advantage the bot had over a human player in the first place.

TwistedTerror · Apr 21, 2010, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Chthon

If you don't know what traits a-net is scanning for, you don't know which elements to randomize. You could randomize them all to a degree that their behavior on any given point is indistinguishable from a human player, but that would destroy any advantage the bot had over a human player in the first place.

except the part where you dont have to play

GWfan#1 · Apr 21, 2010, 05:41 AM // 05:41

I was suspicious of one of these monk bots the other day while playing in RA.

1st sign: We talked trash about how bad his/her monking was, no replies.

2nd sign: In the Seabed Arena I would playfully run around the damaging coral after a match and the monk would constantly heal me (also in the lava within the Crag "Kill Count" level).

Definitely "botlike" behavior coming from that monk. So there is my two cents.

ashesofalar · Apr 21, 2010, 05:51 AM // 05:51

RA bots are fun when you get them and bad when your against them, sad.

Regulus X · Apr 21, 2010, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Bots are bad when you get them, and badder when you're against them. It's sad knowing that everyone else is actually at their keyboards playing hard and applying themselves while the botters are hardly playing, or are probably at the movies, the beach, or just hands-free at the computer going "LOLOLOLOLOLOL" while they're raking in balthazar faction & glad points/fame/etc.. while replying to others when applicable so that they don't get caught botting, and getting away with it. It's called "cheating", and it's unfair to those that do invest their time doing it right (by actually playing the game!). It also degrades PvP titles in the eyes of many (not all, but many...), and while it's not all that critical of an issue, the principalities do matter!).

shoyon456 · Apr 21, 2010, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by GWfan#1

I was suspicious of one of these monk bots the other day while playing in RA.

We've located the problem, Captain.

Seriously, if you're that annoyed, then boycott RA. I've been doing that since NF. If you're under the impression that GW is still a PvP game, EOTN begs to differ.

EDIT: Yes yes, botting is terrible of course. But there will always be cheaters and people who try to work outside of the system. It's Anet's job to do something about it, but they can't catch everyone all of the time.

capashen · Apr 21, 2010, 07:12 AM // 07:12

i think that botter are stupid

Darth The Xx · Apr 21, 2010, 07:25 AM // 07:25

The only problematic bots IMO are the interupt bots, these provide a significant advantage over the people who don't have them.

Farming bots on the other hand just provide bonus money in a game where better gear means nothing. Think of it this way, would you be jealous of some dude who stole $1million from a bank when you work your ass off every day? Probably, but would you yourself go and rob a bank? Probably not. While you live your life, the other dude laughs his off at his successful heist and lives the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

Also if you can't beat a monk bot then just simply get good, they're really, really stupid. I think if you report them enough though they get banned, I'm sure you all remember Rufie, I havn't seen him around in a long time.

capashen · Apr 21, 2010, 07:27 AM // 07:27

botter are hardly banned , go in HA ID1 and see XXXXX he is the first botter XD

Regulus X · Apr 21, 2010, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Let me sum up all cheaters using this nifty little visual reference:

Mokeiro · Apr 21, 2010, 08:06 AM // 08:06

We will see soon bots for sale in the online store, it seems it's the only thing that matters now for anet, to get more money...

Mini Vizu · Apr 21, 2010, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

We will see soon bots for sale in the online store, it seems it's the only thing that matters now for anet, to get more money...

5th year store addition is all campaign account with a 2 week free pass from banning.

niek2004 · Apr 21, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10

File authenticy check will get implemented. A giant list will be made, after a month a mass ban comes, anet makes shitloads of money from all the poor players buying new accounts

in reality; nothing will happen, enjoy your free keys.

*lemming* · Apr 21, 2010, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by capashen

botter are hardly banned , go in HA ID1 and see XXXXX he is the first botter XD

????????????????

spun ducky · Apr 21, 2010, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by niek2004

File authenticy check will get implemented. A giant list will be made, after a month a mass ban comes, anet makes shitloads of money from all the poor players buying new accounts

in reality; nothing will happen, enjoy your free keys.

A file consistency check already exist in gw. The current bots get into the game the same way most cheats for first person shooters work. The main tactic generally to use whatever means necessary to inject a .DLL into the game's process thus removing the issues of memory access from outside programs and the ability to call functions natively.

The result is you must combat the bots just like you would for other games based on the same cheat concept. This is done through monitoring the import address table, kernel hooks, and various other methods like windows detours. What I am saying is GW would need an anti cheat program on par with something like punkbuster to at least slow down the bots.

In a game this old there has been proper time to do memory dumps,packet sniffing, and other reverse engineering so that the mechanics of the game are well known at an engine level. I had thoughts at one point about what if you used the same methods as them to create pseudo heroes aka a player that follows and runs a bar much like a normal hero to surpass the issue of the hero limit and also gain the extra loot. It would be a bot but in a different way.

I shall stop my rant now as I have plenty of code to write today.

capashen · Apr 21, 2010, 01:21 PM // 13:21

just found this

R_Frost · Apr 21, 2010, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Did pulling out the banhammer stop PvE botting? I don't think so. The problem is similar; winning in RA makes zkeys, which can be resold.

Until (unless) ANet figures out a solution to the problem, all you can do is attack the bot at its points of weakness. You note that the bot cannot pre-Veil, and that it can detect Shame/Backfire/Diversion. What does it do when these hexes land on it? Stop casting for the duration?

If so, the solution is obvious. If not, you can exploit its response.

well all the past game changes havent done anything. loot scaling, nerf of bot heavy areas, nerf of builds. all had an affect on the non-boots more then the botters. un-do most of the nerfs making it easier for the rest of us to get gold and the bots are doing nothing more them wasting bandwidth. the economy has been in the crapper for a long time anyways so who cares if gold becomes easier to get.

axe · Apr 21, 2010, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Did pulling out the banhammer stop PvE botting? I don't think so. The problem is similar; winning in RA makes zkeys, which can be resold.

Until (unless) ANet figures out a solution to the problem, all you can do is attack the bot at its points of weakness. You note that the bot cannot pre-Veil, and that it can detect Shame/Backfire/Diversion. What does it do when these hexes land on it? Stop casting for the duration?

If so, the solution is obvious. If not, you can exploit its response.

Banning botters has to happen, its the same thing as the Red Resign that spiraled out of control, once the "honest" players see that nothing is done, then the problem becomes exponentially worse.

Beating the bots or being able to exploit their weaknesses is irrelevant it is against the EULA, people get banned for using inappropriate language in this game IN PVP NO LESS, how is it any different to expect Anet to ban users in PvP arena's that are actually cheating when they can ban you for language. If they ban for EULA violations in one case, then it needs to be enforced in all cases.